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All Time Top Ten 360 Music Videos

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As is traditional for music top tens, this list is written as a countdown. If you’re more a fan of music and/or 360 videos than reading, then there’s a playlist of the ten here:

All Time Top Ten 360 Music Videos

But be aware that the playlist runs from 1 to 10.
Enough ado, let’s get to it…

10. Graffiti by Noa Neal

A big production cheesy popfest to kick us off. Kolor/GoPro were involved in this one, so I’d have actually expected the stitching to be a little better, but on the whole issues with it are largely away from the main focus areas.

9. Running Wild by The PBJ

A dance track with animated video. The visuals are nicely matched up with the music for large portions, with a nice game-like environment part somewhere in the middle. On the whole, a very immersive experience.

8. Yes Future by Noize MC

Russian is one of the many neglected languages I’ve signed up to on Duolingo, so I can’t make head nor tail of the lyrics here.
There are robots in it though, and teachers, and schoolkids, and flippers, and exploding clipboards, and laser guns, and…….

7. Waiting for Love by Avicii

It’s a bit like a new take on the cup-and-ball trick, but with a bunch of doors and a load of dancers. Not really utilising the full sphere in this one, but some nice effects and choreography.
And with vocals from the voice behind Cherry Ghost, what’s not to like.

6. Archangel by Soulfly

Probably the most straightforward in the list. For all the changes in technology, techniques and fashions, there’s still always been a place for the basic live performance in flat music videos.
This is very much in that vein, and as such, does exactly what it says on the tin. With the bonus of the experience of a proper mosh for those who have never partaken. (Though minus the unique third day at a festival smell, of course.)
Kudos to the guys tasked with keeping the camera still too.

5. Travel Far by In Lonely Majesty

Back to pop again here, though with a folky/Mumfordy twist. A bright, happy song and video, with a nice mix of locations, and plenty happening around the band. Possibly all set in Aarhus, as some is from the train station there, so I’m guessing this is probably a Danish band? I’d also guess that the closing shot was a one take affair.

4. Not Another Night by End of Ever

I think this was one of the first 360 videos I ever saw, let alone a music one. It’s hard to be 100% sure, but I think this may have been made with an early Ricoh Theta, which has a pretty low video resolution as far as spherical set ups go. In spite of that though, it has a pretty good visual feel, almost like a flat video with a slight grainy effect added. Being outside in the sun for it probably helped a lot too, as that makes a massive differene for Thetas.
There’s a lot going on, and even with a lot of cuts, I’ve never felt disorientated (or worse) while watching it. It actually took a few viewings before I caught the ‘limbo’ too.

One of very few 360 music videos I’ve seen with lyrics added, but not particularly intrusive here.

3. Featherweight by Feed the Rhino

A static camera for this one, with the band in a large indoor space. The track itself is pretty full on from the off, but there’s a nice build visually. Interesting that some minimal scratched film effect still works in a sphere. And there’s also some nice band member cloning ramping up towards the end.

2. Are We by Craig Wedren

It was lucky that the link for this one is from the actual artist’s own youtube page. I’d been pondering what to do with the other link I had, knowing that it didn’t belong to the artist, but not knowing whether it was someone linked to making the video. Fortunately in the last few days I was saved from having to try and track down who was who when Craig Wedren added this himself.
Easily the oldest video in this list, and by quite some distance. Being so far ahead of its time is probably why there’s only just been an official upload, with youtube now having the tools available to watch in 360/spherical.
The only story video in the list, and one of very few that I’ve seen at all. Lots of people involved, multiple locations, mix of static and moving cameras, and some very smart effects and mixes. And all this in a complete vacuum, almost certainly years before anyone else listed had a clue this type of video would even be possible. Incredible.

1. What Do We Care 4 by Steye and the Bizonkid

When I first came across this video, I misread the description. They actually pondered whether this might be “one of the first 360º music videos that truly explores the potential of 360º video”. I read it as an absolute statement of being the best, so was immediately sceptical, but I think they could have got away with making the bolder claim. (Nice to know they probably aren’t egomaniacs though.)
So much going on in this one, and a lot of clever ideas, with a couple of the standouts being the mirrors on shopping trolleys pushed in to encircle the camera(s), and swooping in over the camera(s) with a hula-hoop for a few of the cuts. There really is a lot going on though, so it’s just as well it’s such a catchy song and bears repeated listens while you spin around with your phone trying to catch everything (other viewing methods are available).

I was a bit surprised not to find an OK Go spherical video, but I guess if the timing of youtube and other websites adding the functionality doesn’t match up with you having a song ready for release, then that’s just one of those things. It’s obviously still early days for spherical/360 music videos, but the above list shows that some pretty solid benchmarks have already been set. As it happens though, Tim Nackashi, the director of Craig Wedren’s video (no. 2) has worked with OK Go before, so maybe there’s something in the works…?

Top Ten – Things I Wish They Could Have Made With Immersive Technology

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I wonder whether there were a lot of movie fans waiting excitedly, or anxiously, when the technology that would make talkies possible was getting close to becoming a reality. Where there people waiting for radio, TV, colour TV, VCRs, just bursting to find out what amazing new things would be presented for their enjoyment with each new technological leap?

These days it’s the norm to be given a roadmap of some sort by any and all big companies when they have any new products or technologies coming over the horizon. The same for TV and movie franchises. All that hype. Was it around before fast communication became ubiquitous, even if at a more sedate rate?

Well, I think we could have a pretty big change coming in the way we experience entertainment soon. Not that that’s all it’ll be. I’m not sure whether there have ever been any decent inventions that didn’t almost immediately get used for more than just the purpose their inventor intended for them.
Not being in possession of a time machine that can take me a little way into the future and let me know which of 360/spherical video, VR, lightfields etc. is going to be the VHS to the Betamax the rest fall away as, I’m going to go back in time instead, and make a Top Ten of the things that I wish had been made with some sort of virtual or augmented immersive system.

10. U2 Live at Red Rocks

I suspect I’d barely heard of U2 at the time this was filmed. For the second half of the eighties, and into the early nineties they were probably my favourite band though, and in the same way that buying all the albums they’d released up to the point where I discovered them immersed me in the music, The Under a Blood Red Sky video showed me what it was like to see not just U2 live, but anyone.
If it’d been made in an immersive format, the other U2 fan in the band I was in later and I, could have consoled ourselves watching it while we were back in the UK for a handful of dates in front of a handful of people each night, instead of playing Red Rocks ourselves. Ouch.

9.  Michael Jackson’s Thriller

Michael Jackson has never been a particular favourite of mine, but he was huge when I was a kid and just trying out everything that I could get my hands on musically, to see what I really did like. Back then, without the Internet and endless TV channels, you had one chance to catch this, or if you were lucky enough to have a VCR by then, you could actually record it. And that watch it again. And again. And again, and again and… etc.
This was of course pre-MTV (certainly in the UK, at least), so it was shown in it’s own late night slot. It’s a bit hazy now, but I suspect it was on Channel 4, and possibly on a Friday. Two Tribes by Frankie Goes to Hollywood got the same late Friday treatment as well, and could have been a substitute in this list, but the Thriller video not only had the impact advantage of being aired first, but it was also far more cinematic.

8. The IT Crowd – Series 2 Ep 1. The Work Outing

Not entirely sure about this one, as I don’t know how much you could add to it by making it immersive. Just because VR/spherical is possible, doesn’t automatically mean it would improve everything.
It’s on this list because it’s the funniest single sitcom episode I’ve ever seen though, and Mr. Linehan is a smart chap, so I suspect he’d have made use of immersiveness in some way. Hopefully it’s on his radar for the future.
(If you’ve never seen IT Crowd, watch the first series before this first episode of series 2. It may be just as funny as a stand alone, but I think already knowing the characters a bit adds to the enjoyment.)

7. Moon Landing

At least half of the (human) population of the world wasn’t born when this happened. Considering the rate of advances in video technology in recent years, and what’s on the horizon, it’s amazing to see how poor it was just 46 years ago.

6. 1996 Indycar – Alex Zanardi “The Pass”

An amazing last lap overtake through the Corkscrew at Laguna Seca. Not sure if there are any racing series where you’d actually get away with that these days, but still, it was allowed to stand at the time. Just imagine watching the footage from a spherical camera on Zanardi’s car during ‘The Pass’ and being able to control where you’re looking. And then having a look from Bryan Herta’s too.

5. Fight Club

Just a great film. So much going on. And though not the reason it’s in the list, there’s a prescient nod to augmented reality right in the trailer I’ve linked to here. Soon, you too will be able to buy from Ikea having seen what you’re buying, right in place, right there, right in your room, there. See?

4. The Truman Show

I wonder if the people that made this cry themselves to sleep at night knowing that spherical cameras would be with them in just a couple of decades. Actually, no, they probably don’t. The fictitious makers of the actual Truman Show within the film probably would.

3. Bergkamp’s 1998 World Cup Quarter Final goal for Holland

My favourite ever goal. Like everything in this list, how those people in the past would have used the technology of our near future is impossible to know. What we have now may not have got us the level of immersion that future tech will, but even with what we have now, a hi-res spherical camera behind the goal, plus a couple down the touchlines and a few wired up over the pitch, with the user having the option to switch between views at will, and they could make their own perfect viewing experience of it.

2.  Muse – Butterflies and Hurricanes

A great song, and a great video. So much packed into it. Some of what makes this video what it is might actually be unusable in spherical video, and particularly VR. Effects that in flat video bring something to life and make it beyond real, could just induce nausea for someone actually experiencing it from the inside.
That’s true for everything to do with these new versions of video though. Everyone involved right now is a pioneer, taking baby steps in figuring out what the new rules will be. Some of the techniques of movie making that have worked for years, even decades may seemlessly continue into the spherical form, while others may now fall by the wayside. And there will, of course, be new techniques created that couldn’t have worked until the option to put the viewer into the story became available.

1.  Koyaanisqatsi

I came across this film by accident as a kid. It was on TV late one night, and though I missed the first few minutes, I realised straight away that it was something I wanted to record.
Already on youtube there are short spherical/360 clips of various ‘epic adventure’ type activities, and clips from stunning locations. You could probably gather a bunch together and make something Koyaanisqatsi-esque. But this is a film from 1982, and lots of the effects and techniques used in it are things that have influenced how things are made ever since. It’s difficult to untangle the hypothetical version of Koyaanisqatsi made in the past, but with technology from the near future, only without everyone else in 1982 having had any access to knowledge of spherical video or vr. It’s a bit like time travel cheating and showing people from the past your modern technology, which as far as they’re concerned is just magic.

I knew I wouldn’t be able to write about this without completely confusing myself and getting tied in knots.

Hopefully it was enjoyable anyway.

Snafu – wordpress and their readers

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Why would a company with thousands, possibly millions of customers randomly change the way their service works in a way that makes it far less usable, and in some ways completely breaks it?
Because they can.

It’s an odd thing about a world where everyone is connected, news like this travels fast, and everyone can have their say about anything if they want to.
I imagine there were equivalent changes made in the past, but the level of interactivity wasn’t there. You’d moan to your family and mates in the pub about the bus routes changing again, and how much further you’d have to walk each day, and that’d be about it. You’d just have to live with it.

So, who’s been at it this time?
Not facebook, though I only have a small circle there with a pseudonym anyway so I barely care what they do.
Google? Nope.
Twitter? Too busy floating and probably weeing themselves over the huge day-one share-price rise.

No, it’s wordpress.
Well I suppose one half of wordpress. I’ve never really looked into it too far, but they have the hosting side and the blog software supply side.
The problem is on the hosted side.

They’ve changed the way the ‘reader’ works recently. And it hasn’t gone down particularly well with their readers. Or their writers, who surprise, surprise, are probably some of their bigger readers too.

The reader has various elements and shows different things, but for me I just look at the default page that it gives you, where there are the most recent posts from blogs that you actually follow, and then I have a handful of search terms which they have in a list at the right side of the page allowing posts tagged with those terms to be seen too.
I actually got out of the blog writing habit for about two and a half years before getting back into it early this summer. At that point I was thinking of changing from as things had changed a lot, and I found the user interface to be a complete mess and utterly unintuitive.
Before the hiatus, I’d just used a general search function that existed on some top level page, and voila, the most recent blog posts tagged with that term would be listed. Right-click, new tab, read, read, read. When I restarted posting, that search page had gone, so I had to use the clunky reader, and didn’t bother very much.
Over time I’ve followed more blogs, so I was using the reader more, and like the old way, just right-clicking to read anything interesting in it’s own tab.
I even set up that small selection of search terms and use that as well. It’s a bad system though. The right column (though there is no visual sign that there are two columns until they stop scrolling together) scrolls with the left but after a while stops, so the most useful links are unavailable off the top of the screen, leaving some ‘you may like’ recommendations. I hate stuff like that, so losing all the useful stuff for that is pretty galling.
I keep those searches to a small list as you lose access to them almost as soon as you scroll anyway. Unless you hit the home key, but then you lose your place in the page.
Did I say earlier that I think the whole user interface was unintuitive?

So, to the recent changes to the reader.
Now, when you click on a post in any of these reader pages it appears in a pop-up.
Oh dear.
Well, I always right-clicked to a new tab anyway, so I can just do that and get…. a duplicate of the reader page I’m in now, complete with pop-up of the post.
Oh deary, dear.
OK, then I can right-click on ‘view original’ within the pop-up, and .. hurrah! The post as I want to see it, with double the number of clicks. No, make that triple, I still have to close the pop-up in the original tab.
Oh deary, deary, me.
I suspect it may be familiarity with the reader as it was before these changes (and the intermediate change where it just made the reader pages very ugly for a day or two), but in the forum people have been saying they loved/liked the reader as it was. It was actually rubbish, and now it’s really, really rubbish.
I’ve only dipped into the forum once or twice, and get the impression that wordpress make changes, everyone hates them, wordpress put their fingers in their ears, everyone gets bored with trying to get things fixed/reverted, everyone puts up with the new system, wordpress start planning the next round of customer aggravating changes.

There are a couple of workarounds people on the support forum have suggested, but they shouldn’t be needed.
I worked out a way of almost recreating the old search method, by just changing the last part of the url from the reader page with a saved tag search selected.
Oh, this is in a separate browser though. One where you aren’t logged in (or you just get forced back into the reader, obviously).
And hey presto, change the URL and you get a load of posts in a decent format that have the tag you want.
Ahh. Any blogs you blocked when logged in get in the way again.
But at least you can right-click on a post and…. oh. Open a new tab with the log in page.
Right-clicking the main blog title will allow you to open a nice new tab and see the blog in question. Just not the post you wanted, unless it happens to be the most recently posted.

It’s all just so much fun.
Who wouldn’t want to read wonderful blogs all day long?

Back to the original question, why did they do it?
I can’t think of a good reason.
I’ve thought of some reasons they might give, but they wouldn’t be very convincing.
I wondered if it may be some way to try and push people from the hosted site into hosting their own blog using the software, but I can’t see how that would work even if they tried it.
It’s an odd situation.
Do they not beta/road test anything before they change it?

On the upside, I’ve written a blog post for the first time in a while. And given that I can’t be bothered fighting with a surrealist UI, I may start writing more often again, as I won’t be reading any of the blogs I’ve followed, for a while at least.

This seems to be the main discussion page about the reader in the support forum:

Random thoughts after a visit to the Chagall Exhibit at Tate Liverpool

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    I went to the Tate in Liverpool a couple of days ago. It was the final day of the Marc Chagall featured exhibit. The last time I visited was for the Magritte exhibition, which must be a couple of years ago now.
    Liverpool has changed a lot over the years. It smells bad now. Like any big city it probably always did. Having all the smokers outside these days won’t help, and being a Sunday there’s all the fallout from a Saturday night too. I was a smoker on and off in my younger days so I suppose that may have taken the edge off things then, and Sundays would have been less busy in the city centre before Liverpool One was built.

Liverpool City Skyline (from Crosby beach)

    Before seeing the exhibition itself, thirst prompted a brief coffee stop in the Tate café. The table was very wet. I’d seen the young man wiping it and would have sat elsewhere, but it was the only free spot. Just after sitting I saw him stifling a yawn, wet rag in hand. Hygienic? Maybe eating or drinking out should be avoided on a Sunday. There must be a much higher percentage of hungover staff, and they’re hardly likely to be fully focused on H&E.

    I mentioned over coffee that I didn’t understand why people start walking along the platform when the train is arriving. The doors aren’t very far apart so you can never be more than a few yards from one once the train is stationary. Five or six people walked past me as the train pulled in. Which was a lot, considering it was only fairly busy. (I’m sure there used to be the same frequency of trains on a Sunday north of town, but now it seems they’ve halved that to a twice-per-hour service.) Having had it pointed out that people also try and position themselves for the doors of busses as well, as if they’re on the starting blocks with a race to win, I commented that it was a sad race to be running. If you’re desperate to win the race to get on the bus or train, you’re missing the bigger picture and the fact that you’ve lost some much more important life races already.

    Once into the exhibition itself, I took in the work fairly ambivalently. I like to see famous artist’s work in the flesh, but Chagall is one I barely knew, and his style isn’t really my thing. The main space for exhibitions at Tate Liverpool is up on the top floor. I actually found the big old warehouse windows and views beyond preferable to the displayed art. Not that that’s a particular criticism of Chagall. As I said, his art isn’t really to my taste anyway, but the quality of the Mersey views from a few floors up is something I’m drawn to even at an exhibition of an artist that I’m a big fan of. There was a nice contrast between the varying browns and dark blues of the river from the windows to the north of the building, and the sun reflected sparkles on the almost black river looking south.
    The tide was quite high on the day, only reaching a foot or so short of the highest tide marks on the docks. We pondered on the massive volume difference of the water held in the river between a high and a low tide.
    Actually, the high tide may have contributed to the smells back in the city centre.

View across the Mersey (not from Tate)

    The stand-out painting of those at the exhibition was The Blue Lovers. Though not photo-realistic, which is more to my taste, it is at least in a more realistic style than a lot of the rest. I like the use of colour too. Without having read the descriptions of some of the works I wouldn’t have realised that the paintings of couples were of Chagall and his wife. The feeling The Blue Lovers provokes would be the same either way. It’s nice to be in love.

The Blue Lovers - Marc Chagall (1914)

    When it comes to art, I’m interested, but not particularly educated. I just know if I like something when I look at it. I don’t think that’s a problem though really. If there’s a picture I don’t like because it looks like a five-year-old has painted it, finding out that the artist could paint like Vermeer if they wanted to, but painted like a five-year-old by choice, I just find baffling. It doesn’t mean I don’t like any modern art either, it just makes it a complete lottery as to whether the shapes and colours happen to please my eye. The same may be said for more realistic looking work, but even if I don’t find something more in the photo-realistic style a favourite, I can still appreciate the technique.
    I wonder if the ‘every man’ attitude to modern art may to some degree come from the fact that some of it looks like anyone could do it. Well, when it comes to things that look like a five-year-old painted them, anyone could do it, and it’s then only the fact that the artist and the critics read/instil more into it that makes the difference. Emperor’s new clothes?
    In a very self contradictory way, I liked the pieces from set designs and the theatre curtain more than most. Although still not something that really grabbed me. I guess I’m a sucker for a big painting. In fact, big art full stop.
    The Walker is much more up my street. I should go there again soon.

    With some time spare after the gallery, crepes were calling. I hadn’t put the two together in my mind prior to writing this down, but another potentially hangover induced food serving issue occurred. Coffees brought very quickly, crepe took ages. He’d forgotten.
    The menu had a sprinkling of franglais. This included a couple of items, one with Bleu as the last word, and the next with Bleouf. The second had egg in it. It’s never crossed my mind before, but I wonder at what level punning goes on in other languages. Could a lack of puns or understanding of them show up non-native speakers of some languages? If you were learning a language, would making up puns work when heard/read by native speakers? Would you understand native puns having learned in any way other than being with native speakers? Was the bleouf pun written by someone English? Do any languages not have puns at all?

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Review – Top Eleven

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Top Eleven Logo

     You can play Top Eleven at their own site, or as a facebook app. I’ve mainly used it from though I signed up through facebook, so I can’t comment on the sign up and log in process at the site itself as I’ve just been let in as long as my facebook account is active. There is also a phone app, though again that isn’t something I’ve tried.

     It’s very easy to get going on the game as the menu system is very intuitive. Unsurprisingly, you start off at level 1 with a very basic ‘stadium’, or as most people would know it ‘some grass’. At level 1 you will only be entered into a league competition and the general cup. You need to finish in the top 4 of your league to compete in the following season’s Champions League competition. There are 14 teams in each league, and each season lasts for 28 days. I’m not sure whether signing up through referrals on the main site works in the same way, but joining via facebook at the same time as friends should see you put into the same league together. It’s actually quite an important part of this game, but I’ll come back to that later.


     One of the first things you’ll want to do is make a start on building up your stadium. The balance across the different elements is quite well worked out, and you should find it easy to have something being built at all times, unless you spend all your income on players I guess. You need to work on each of the different elements of your stadium, as there are points where progress for any particular area is blocked until your stadium as a whole is improved to a certain level. So my plan to go right through the development of the Football School came a cropper, but it is a sensible system and works pretty well.


     Player training is a bit basic. You can train each player at either normal or hard intensity. There are three types of training you can use, though the only difference is the amount of training done. These three types (Stretching, Cardio and Practice Match) are unavailable for a set period of time after use, with the lightest type useable again after 10 minutes and the highest level after an hour. The players have a progress bar showing how close they are to improving by one skill point with a cone appearing to let you know they have a point which you can then assign to one of three sets of five attributes. You have full control over where the attributes go across the three attribute groups (Defence, Attack, Physical & Mental), but none within each group. A further restriction is that no group of attributes can be left more than 20 skill points behind the others.

The player quality is shown using a star system:
1 Star – Poor
2 Star – Average
3 Star – Good
4 Star – Very Good
5 Star – Excellent
6 Star – Scout
7 Star – World Class

     These quality definitions change according to the level you are at. Each is a 5 point quality band, but if you get promoted, your whole squad loses 1 star, though not any skills, it’s just to make the star system useful again as you have advanced up the leagues. If you look at a team a few divisions higher than you, then they’ll look like they have a complete squad at World Class, though to the person running that team, the stars will more than likely look similar to the way your squad looks to you.


     This star system is very important when it comes to using the transfer market. There are three different methods of transferring players between teams, and which is applicable depends on the star rating of the player you want to buy or sell. Until you reach level four, you can’t enter negotiations with another manager to buy their players, but you do have access to the general transfer auction system from the time you start playing. There is also the ‘Scout’ system, where you can buy a high skilled player instantly, but with a high charge in tokens.

     And so to tokens. There are two currencies in the game, cash and tokens. As with the stadium building and squad progression, the balance on finances is well worked out and scales reasonably as your income and expenses both increase. Whether that stays the same once you have built the stadium to its maximum level, I can’t say as I haven’t reached that point yet. On the other hand, the token system is just a method of generating real money for the game developers, and any good work done on balancing is undone by the fact that you really can pay-to-win in Top Eleven.

Cash and Tokens

     Anyone used to games that are playable through facebook probably won’t see a problem with pay-to-win as it’s the norm among them, but as someone used to standalone websites for football management games, it makes the whole thing feel a bit pointless to me. Building a cartoon farm is one thing, but not having a level playing field in a sports simulation game is a bit of an issue. Some versions of freemium games flirt with giving an advantage for players that pay, but here it’s a full on shortcut. Not that it’s denied anywhere that I know of. It is what it is, but bottom line is that real money can buy success. I guess that really is a good simulation of the real life game… (Apart from QPR, obviously.)

     With the ability to buy tokens for real money, you can bypass all the balancing and just buy a squad that’s out of reach of anyone else at your user ranking level, unless they’ve done the same thing. As well as being able to buy in game cash, you can also buy ‘packs’, which come in three varieties and allow you to improve condition and morale for players, with the third giving you the option to shorten the recovery time from injuries, or heal them instantly. There is also a player win bonus element, which I doubt you could leave set to maximum for a whole season without going bankrupt, unless you use real-money-bought tokens to fund it.


     The tactical set up actually looks pretty good. You have four tactic slots available, with a reasonable amount of scope in where you can position players on the pitch, plus a player by player option to push up or drop back. The additional drop downs for mentality, passing/pressing/tackling/marking styles and passing focus add a lot of usable options tactically. You can also set player roles for penalties, free-kicks and the like, and set default subs to come on in case of injuries.
     Sadly though, combined with the ability to buy improvements, there’s the possession boost system as well, and between them, they almost make the tactics you set unimportant. The possession boosts are a double edged sword really. You get an 8% boost for being online and watching your match, though this can be matched by your opponent doing the same. There is also a 5% boost for playing at home, with a good crowd, with less of that 5% being granted if your stadium isn’t filled, and a 2% boost for any friends that watch the game and support you, again matchable by friends of your opponent. There’s a cap of 15% total possession bonus. If you play the game with a group of friends, being online and supporting tactically can be a great part of the game. Other than that though it’s just too overpowered. As an example, I’d lost 2-0 in the first leg of my Champions League semi-final in the season just gone, so I set a full win bonus, and turned up for the second leg at home, with a full stadium, gaining a 13% total possession advantage as my opponent wasn’t watching. We won 9-1.

CL Final - Scorers

     Overall, Top Eleven isn’t a bad game, but is only at its best if you join as part of a group, and agree among yourselves to play by the same rules. So you either allow token buying or you don’t, and a rule on whether sponsor tokens are fair would be needed as well, unless all players are in the same country. For a while I ‘watched’ all the sponsor videos, which gave me an advantage over some friends that were playing from a different country and had far less available to them.
     If you haven’t played football manager games before, Top Eleven is a good looking game that could work well as a gentle introduction to them. If you’ve played similar games before, unless you’re joining with a group of friends at the same time, then I’d give it a miss.

Online Football Management Games

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Is there a market for a ‘How-to’ success book?

    It’s something I’ve been thinking about a fair bit recently. I’ve played a fair few management games over the years, most recently online games against real people, so I have a lot of experience of them. Offline I go all the way back to Football Manager on the ZXSpectrum. I’m not 100% sure there’d be an audience for a book that would help anyone interested in these games to improve, but if there is I’d really like to be the one that writes it.

    One problem with a ‘how-to’ on this subject could be how broad it is. There are a lot of games to choose from, each with their own specific challenges and way of doing things. I suspect there are a lot of similarities though, and there will be basic elements that are universal, or close to it.

    Realistically, I doubt a physical book would be of much interest, so it would probably be an ebook. Maybe with a related website for updates and additional content.

    What do you think? Would anyone be interested?

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July 22, 2013 at 4:07 pm

A new start in online football management

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     Apart from a piece about an ill fated attempt to relive my first manager game experience, and a mention of a successful moment in another, I haven’t written about online football manager games here. Which, given that it’s verged on an obsession at times, is a little surprising. I suppose I didn’t want to admit to the addiction side of things.

Football Manager at genius level (getting arse kicked)

     As shown by having played the original Football Manager on the Sinclair ZXSpectrum, I’ve been playing these things for a long time on and off. For the last ten years though, I’ve stuck with online versions where you get to test yourself against real people. Often many of them, and from all over the world. I never felt there was any point going back to offline versions once I’d found a decent online game. I can’t even remember the names of some of the first ones I dabbled with, but the first that really gripped me was Championship Manager Online. Sadly, that closed after a while. Although that was a few years ago, the fact that you had to pay to play seems to have been the problem, and one which has only got worse with more and more manager games using freemium systems of one sort or another. Even the masters of the offline game, The Collyers, couldn’t keep their online game going for more than a few years with a fully paying system.

Champ Man Online

     Now there isn’t a lot of choice, as virtually all the online football manager games use freemium to some degree. Most will try and keep a level playing field for all managers, but it seems to be beyond their ability to actually keep it that way. A more recent trend is to just go with it and allow the buying of success, mostly seen in facebook based games.

Pay to Win (blech)

     Personally, for a small monthly fee, which you almost have to pay to get the best out of a lot of freemium games anyway, I’m perfectly happy with a pay to play game, as long as it’s good. Finding a good one can be a problem though. There are so many around and you can’t really see what they’re like without getting involved for a while. Then if it’s not really what you wanted you have a difficult decision on whether to stick with it (you may have liked the community within the game and some elements) in the hope it will be more suited to you in the future, or move on, having invested time, and knowing you’ll have to make the initial higher intensity effort again while learning a whole new game from scratch.

     Anyway, having played at and footballidentity most recently, I felt I needed to move on from managerzone. They’ve recently added U23, U21 and U18 leagues there, which suited me perfectly, as youth development had always been my strong point within that game. Unfortunately, to play in those leagues you had to pay extra for it. Given that there was already a ‘club member’ system to be paid for, an additional cast for these leagues was too much for me in a game that I’d been less interested in recently anyway. A perfect storm of both club member and Uxx league season tickets needing to be renewed, and almost having run out of the in game tokens has helped make the decision to mothball my team and move on.
     The decision to find a new game was also driven by a desire to start a game at the same time as other managers I’ve met in different games (mostly footballidentity). We’ve been playing Top Eleven, but didn’t all start together, and as we are based in different countries, have different amounts of sponsor videos to watch, which supplies you with one of the two in game currencies. Yes, it is sadly one of those ‘pay to win’ games. Not ideal then.

Winning at footballidentity

     If only there was place that you could go to where you could get advice on which manager game would suit you and the elements of play that you’re most interested in. Well, there almost is. I started a forum for fans of online football manager games, but have never really developed it as much as I’d have liked. Too busy playing the games instead…
     So with a bunch of us split between those still playing footballidentity, and those who had left (you actually play the matches with users as each footballer, so the time needed us more than most games), and the idea that we could find another game and all start at the same time, I went off and found as many options as possible and made a big list. There was an element of deja vu about my search, having done a similar thing whenever a game I’d been playing closed, or I just felt like a change. Three years seems to be the default period between big searches, and strangely, it seems that the bulk of what I find seems to be largely the same selection of games.
     This time though, I found one that is very new. Still in beta in fact. And in the proper sense of the term, not like the footballidentity version of ‘beta’ which it’s been in since I started playing in season 4, over three real life years ago. The game is called Football Strategy and a stated aim is to avoid ‘pay to win’ entirely. It’s early days, and hard to tell how good it will be, but it’s nice to get a group of friends into a game together at a very early stage. Hopefully the developers will stick with their intention to reset once beta is over too. A nice clean slate and level playing field combo. What more could you want?

     Now that I’ve started writing about football manager games the floodgates may have opened just a crack. There may be many posts about Football Strategy. Or whatever comes next…..

Starting at the bottom in Football Strategy

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